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Vol.58 Kazuko Tōdō

Kazuko Tōdō, who has elevated the members-only club "Royal Box" to national prominence, joins us for the 58th installment of our series. In this interview, we explore her diverse activities beyond club management, including writing and speaking at lectures.

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Vol.58 Kazuko Tōdō

Manager and Proprietor of "Royal Box" and "Lindbergh" | Editor-in-Chief of 'LB Nakasu Newsletter
Kazuko Tōdō was born in Fukuoka Prefecture in 1946. She is the manager and proprietor of the members-only club "Royal Box" and the aviation stand bar "Lindbergh" in Nakasu, Hakata. In 1971, she inherited the long-established aviation stand bar "Lindbergh" from her predecessor. During the 1990s, she took over the management of the high-end club "Royal Box," which had been running at a deficit, and transformed it into a renowned establishment known nationwide, not just in Nakasu. The club exudes the atmosphere of an adult social venue, welcoming guests from the business, sumo, and entertainment worlds, as well as international visitors. Tōdō is known as a master of Janken (rock-paper-scissors), earning the nickname "Janken Mama," with the rock-paper-scissors matches between her and her customers across the counter becoming a famous feature covered by the media.
As the editor-in-chief of the 'LB Nakasu Newsletter,' she has published a magazine and hosted a celebration party in the fall of 2010 at the Imperial Hotel Tokyo to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Nakasu Newsletter's founding and the publication of 'Three Generations of Mama Business (Oyako Sandai Mama Kagyo).' The event attracted a total of 2,000 guests, including top business figures, renowned creators, writers, and celebrities from across the nation. Currently, Tōdō appears as the head of "Kazuko Tōdō's Women's Academy" on the KBC Kyushu Asahi Broadcasting radio program every Wednesday. In addition, she is actively involved in various activities, such as writing columns and giving lectures, to contribute to the development of Nakasu.
*Titles and affiliations are as of the interview conducted in June 2017.

Walk the Talk

Time flies, and this year marks my 47th year in the nightlife bar business. By the time the Tokyo 2020 Olympics and Paralympics conclude, it will be 50 years. I’ve made it this far because I always say, “I’ll do it.” When I was 20, I started helping at my sister-in-law’s bar, “Lindbergh.” Initially, I found it tiresome to work at the bar, but a senior colleague told me, “A beautiful person can stay quiet, but most people need to be liked by customers to make a living.” That remark ignited my competitive spirit, and I spared no effort to make many customers like me. Four years later, I took over “Lindbergh.”

I am a firm believer in walking the talk. If you don’t say it, you won’t act on it. If you don’t declare your intentions, you might end up not doing anything, and if you keep saying “I’ll do it” but achieve nothing, people will get angry or disappointed and say, “Hey, you’re all talk!” I dislike that.

Similarly, when I started ‘Nakasu Tsushin,’ I declared that I would do it. I launched it as a monthly magazine to promote Nakasu’s culture and served as its editor-in-chief for 30 years. The beginning was extremely challenging. There’s even a saying about “three-issue magazines,” indicating how tough it is to continue something. I made a serious promise with the newspaper folks who frequented my bar, saying, “If Nakasu Tsushin doesn’t last 30 years, I’ll do anything. But if it does, you all have to shave your heads.” In 2011, Nakasu Tsushin celebrated its 30th anniversary. By then, those newspaper folks, who were in their 40s at the time of the promise, were already in their 70s. Even if I wanted to make them shave their heads, they would just laugh and say, “We’re already bald!” (laughs).

Meeting and Connecting with People

Meeting and talking to people is the best way to learn, far surpassing information gathered from books or the internet. By meeting people directly and listening to various stories, I gain new knowledge. The excitement and surprise from these experiences become valuable lessons that I can share with others, enhancing my own growth. Perhaps, in a way, I am a missionary of communication.

I believe I meet more people than anyone else. Even on a slow day, I meet at least 30 people, and on busy days, the number exceeds 100. Depending on the job or department, some might meet only around 10 new people a day, and for others, meeting a new person might happen once a month. One of the joys of the nightlife bar business is the opportunity to meet many people. Sometimes, despite my experience, I encounter situations where I just don’t click with someone. In such cases, I rely on the many women working at the bar. As the manager, I don’t need to handle everything myself. Compatibility is not something I choose; it’s up to the other person. Letting things happen naturally is the best approach.

Introducing customers to each other follows the same principle. Even if I think they might get along well in business and suggest, “You should meet that person,” I sometimes get responses like, “Why do I have to meet them?” It’s strange, but sometimes, even when I think my intuition was wrong, things turn out well after a while. When I connect people and they both benefit, I simply ask them to come back to the bar for a drink. That’s really all I need. I don’t expect anything in return.

Thoroughbred of the Nightlife Business

When I was in elementary school, the scars of war were still very visible. Fortunately, I was able to attend school, but many children were sent to work in factories on mass employment trains. Compared to that, many of today’s university students attend college on their parents’ money. Most of them probably spend their part-time job earnings only on their own leisure activities. From the perspective of our generation, today’s youth seem quite sheltered. However, it’s wrong to say they’re not as capable as people from the past. There’s a significant difference in motivation between those who do things on their own and pave their own way, and those who live off parental support while freely pursuing their interests and attending school. I believe people who have gone through tough times tend to have a stronger drive to accomplish things through their own efforts.

Personally, I’ve never found myself in dire straits in business. I attribute this to not being greedy. Although I’ve faced hardships and debt, I’ve managed to grow my business gradually without overextending myself. I call myself a “thoroughbred of the nightlife business” because of this approach.

People Are What Matters Most

Now that I’m 71, I don’t feel the urge to take on new challenges. However, in an era where opportunities to drink and socialize have diminished, I want to create a place where people can easily drop in and enjoy themselves. We differentiate our lounge “Lindbergh” and the members-only club “Royal Box” by their pricing, hoping that young people who grow up with “Lindbergh” will eventually move up to “Royal Box” as they mature. Personally, I’ve also stepped up gradually since I first opened my own establishment, constantly evolving. I don’t like staying the same. Our customers age, too, so keeping the same format I started with at 24 wouldn’t match their needs anymore.Some who started with “Lindbergh” may explore other venues but often return. For those who once used our services for entertaining clients and now want a place to drink alone, we’ve opened a small five-square-meter bar. It’s important not just to change but to keep evolving.

I don’t sell anything tangible. Selling intangible experiences is the hardest. If it’s a car, you sell a car; if it’s whiskey, you sell whiskey. But when it comes to making people think, “I want to go to that place,” it’s all about the people. In the world of nightlife, the most crucial element is the people themselves.

One very busy day just before the rainy season, a family friend brought an unusual guest to our establishment. The guest, a man in his thirties, had read “70 Ways to Stand Out” and confidently offered to challenge me to a game of rock-paper-scissors. He had an engaging personality, zero hesitation, strong eye contact, and the guts to promote himself without waiting for others to make the first move. Despite these traits, he came across as both clever and pleasant, a type rarely seen among Japanese people. Initially, I was quite surprised, but his eagerness and the way he reminded me of my younger self made “Dai-chan (Daisuke Sugiyama)” endearing to me. endearing to me.
Beneath his boundless cheerfulness, he surely must have weathered many storms. The speed from our first meeting to our interview, along with his passion and assertions, demonstrated his ability to captivate people—a truly remarkable talent. Interacting with him made me genuinely believe that if there were more Japanese like him, our country could hold its own on the international stage. Well, having too many people like Dai-chan might be a bit too much (laughs). Keep up the great work, Dai-chan!

Kazuo Todo, Manager of “Royal Box”and “Lindbergh”,


I met Mama Kazuko Tōdō two hours after arriving in Fukuoka for the first time last year. On the way to my destination, a friend asked me, “Do you know the Rock-Paper-Scissors Mama?” Having read Mama Tōdō’s book, “70 Ways to Stand Out (Tokaku wo Arawasu Otoko 70 no Ryugi),” I immediately replied, “I’d love to meet her!” and we headed straight to “Royal Box.”
Reading about the countless episodes of “Nakasu Tsushin,” which Mama Tōdō has continued for 30 years, I learned about the challenges and joys of running a magazine. “Money grows when you spend it. Even if a building is constructed, people won’t just follow.” I felt firsthand that her focus on human connections is what gives her such an undeniable presence today. Her conversations, backed by experience and foresight, were captivating. I felt compelled to give her a princess carry, which she graciously allowed. Naturally, I also challenged her to a game of rock-paper-scissors, but I couldn’t win at all (laughs).

Daisuke Sugiyama, Editor-in-Chief of ‘My Philosophy’

June 2017, at the members-only club “Royal Box”.Translated by ILI Inc.